jejozi mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - I was raised in the church, communion, confirmation, all the rest, is my point. And I came to the conclusion that there is no proof, no "facts" that back up the bible. Organized religion is the bane of humanity. Look at all the problems caused by people sooooo sure they're the followers of the "truth". Your claims that "he" exists (shouldn't that be He? rather disrespectful) have no basis in fact, you're just believing stories others have told you. Whatever works for ya.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - Well, I'll be honest with you; I don't know what to tell you. I've just realized something myself today. I have been drifting too far away. In fact, I didn't truly become a Christian until just recently; I've been claiming it for years, but only recently truly realized what being a Christian was; and I've been straying quite a bit, proof of that is this argument right here. The Holy Bible tells us not to argue over this, because it's not our battle. (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued) Not only because it's not our battle, but more because of the complacency that it causes us. We don't focus on Jesus' Commandments anymore, but we fill our hearts with hate trying to "prove" HIS existence, when we should be trusting HIM to take care of the situation by HIMSELF....so for my part, I apologize for any hate that I may have brought into this conversation. I am, after all, only human, and we do tend to lose our focus on what is and isn't important. (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued) After all, we shouldn't be getting offended at what other people say about Jesus Christ; because it's not us that's being offended. The Lord can take care of HIMSELF. He hardly needs us to stick up for HIM; all HE wants us to do is to continue to follow the WORD that HE has commanded us to follow. I wanted to make that clear before we begin this discussion. If you've really got questions answered, then I will do my best to help you, but I don't have all the answers...(continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued)...and the journey that you're on won't end until you've learned the lessons that you're intended to learn and understand in this life. Although I'm going to try and help you understand some things; I think you need to know that no one can tell you any of the answers that you're seeking. You have to find the Truth for yourself. The fact that you have seen through all of the church crap is inspiration enough because there is so much more to it, and most people will (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued)...never see it. You mentioned in an earlier comment that we were born with logical minds. That's true; but if the Truth that we are seeking for is out of our comprehension, then how do we find it? I know that you're thinking that I just made your point for you, but considering that you've got logic, but you still have questions, and logic can't answer them for you, where does that leave you? (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued) The biggest problem with a logical world for believing in GOD is believing. Everybody's looking for proof, and they don't realize that they are looking on the wrong plane. There are so many different theories about different dimensional planes in science, that most people don't even consider that it may take a higher level of consciousness to reach any of them. Perhaps logic isn't enough to reach these planes. Logic, no, but Faith; possibly. (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued) If this is the case, then logic can no longer help you, and you're going to have some other method to continue your search for the Truth that you're seeking for. There has been scientific proof; science as we know it, has actually proved that the mind, as far as Faith is concerned, can do some very remarkable things on its' own. People can actually make things happen by simply believing. (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued) Consider, is it really that far-fetched? The brain is so incredibly complex that scientists are still only scratching the surface of understanding how it works, and even the smartest people on Earth only use 10% of their brains. There is one theory, even, that claims that our minds actually transport us back in time when we're remembering a memory from our past, so considering that our minds, at our most basic thought process can take us through a journey in time, (continued)

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - (continued)...what proof is there then, even scientifically, that we can't co-exist in a higher level of consciousness by simply having Faith? This is about as far as logic is going to take you with this concept. There's not much further than you can go. The Next Step: How Can You Logically Have Faith?

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - I've written to you quite a bit earlier, and I want to make sure that we stay on the same page; especially because I have continued the conversation by replying to my last comments, so I want to make sure that you've read them all before I continue. I wish there was a way to chat this out without having to repost every couple of sentences; and the fact that youtube insists on making sure you're real by filling in a security word every couple of posts; that's not incredibly annoying, is it?

jejozi mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - yes, it most certainly is.

jejozi mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - I'm reading your post, but it's late, so I'm not able to answer right now, but something you said is kind of proving my point. You said humans only use 10% of their brain. That's a wives' tale you're stating as fact. And that's how I look at this whole god/Jesus/bible thing. There's been thousands of years for stories to change and for misinformation to be disseminated, yet I'm supposed to believe, absolutely, unquestioning. I don't work that way.

jejozi mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - I've been screwed too many times to take something at face value because someone said so. I'm not saying I do or don't believe, as I consider myself agnostic. Just that believe what you want to believe, but leave those us who have doubts or don't believe, out of the religious rights need to make us all conform to their ideology. So much for not answering your post. :-) I'm gong to bed.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - Out of curiosity, you've claimed to be raised in the church (not that it matters), and you've claimed to have taken all sorts of classes about religion and have done various different rituals and all, and I was wondering; have you ever just considered to give logic a rest and just had a talk with GOD? If you've got questions that need answers, who better to ask than GOD? Have you ever considered that HE has been answering your questions and you've just not been listening?

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - You are literally trying to logically comprehend GOD, and that's impossible. I told you that I used to call myself a Christian my whole life; but I kept over-analyzing everything. I kept asking people "How do you believe?" and their answers were all the same "You just do." I know that seems impossible to do. It did to me; because I could not comprehend how to believe. It's all about Trust. You said that you've been screwed over a lot; so have I; but I've never been screwed over by GOD.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - It is by our experiences that we learn & grow. It is also by our experiences throughout our lives that we find GOD. We all have different experiences. Each one is unique and has not and will not be experienced by another living soul in any way, despite how similar to yours it may be. Don't give up because you haven't found HIM yet. If you want to keep analyzing, perhaps you should go back and see if there's anything that you've missed. It's normally something very simple and in clear view.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - Everybody has questions;everybody has doubts. That's why it's so easy to disregard the existence of GOD. HE doesn't fit into this world. It's not modern. It's not logical. It's just a bunch of stories. How could it possibly be true? Have you honestly, and I mean honestly, ever considered that it is true? Forget the church. In this day and age, the church is truly dead; we're talking a relationship with Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ. Have you ever HONESTLY put your Trust in HIM? Try it.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 26, 2012 - This is my last message on the subject. Clearly, I can not give you proof; but I hope, at least, that I've given you some insight, and perhaps some food for thought. I hope you find what you are looking for. Truly, I do. If it's any consolation at all, I'll be praying very shortly, and I'll thank GOD for you. I would never know how far I've come, if I've never seen where I've been. This probably won't help you at all, but it's helped me plenty; so Thank You. Sincerely Yours, SuperMaghnus

jejozi mowi:

Apr 28, 2012 - Wow, what does that sound like? Religion, to a tee.

jejozi mowi:

Apr 28, 2012 - Too many humans have. Look at all the babies being born with horrific birth defects. Look at all the horrible diseases, causing all kinds of physical and emotional pain. Sorry, even if he is "up there", how can I respect a being that spreads such misery? And then, after witnessing such barbaric treatment, being told that if I don't believe, I'm condemned to burn for eternity. No thanks.

SuperMaghnus mowi:

Apr 28, 2012 - It seems to me that you already have all the answers that you're looking for. It also seems to me that you're making a point to mock all those answers with as much spite as you can muster, just to rile everyone else up.The bottom line is this; you can accept the Truth, or you Can't. It's your decision and no one else can make it for you. You already have all the answers, and this little "game" of yours is getting old. You'd think that a 54yr old man would have better things to do with his time.